Curse

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Sorry, but, have to disagree with you. Since the implementation of Ursans Blessing there isn't even a requirement for skill anymore or the advantage for having played longer making someone a better player. Anyone brand new to the game can go around killing anything and everything now with UB. <grin>

Also I would not agree to allow freedom of gold buying as I can see what it would do to the economy as I stated recently. It would just keep increasing the outside cost of real life money as inflation would go sky high. Unless of course Anet wanted to set the prices for everything, that is the only way it would work. Long as we can buy most high end items for 100k from some npc then that's the only way I would accept the ability to buy gold with real life money. Every resource in the game would also have to have a set price so inflation could not take over anything.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Shai Lee · Apr 20, 2008, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Thus far, unless I'm mistaken, character slots and skill packs havn't caused inflation. One of the points that players disagree with Anet selling gold, is that it would effect the in-game economy.

explodemyheart · Apr 20, 2008, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

IN about 15 years, you'll look back on your high school days and realize how much free time you really had.

Especially when it feels like the older you get, the shorter the days. Seriously, how is it already April 20th, 2008?

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

Ah, see, 12 year olds don't have to deal with part time jobs and over hour long commutes to school. But everyone's situation is unique.

I for one, leave before and get home after my mother who works a full time job.

If I do, I don't mean to come off A-holey either, it's just a tendency I have.

Me too! I'm a natural born A-hole

Do you have to make dinner, do yard work, take care of your kids (help them with homework for an hour a night), laundry, pay bills, travel for business 2 days a week and housework? Ya, trust me on this on.

Avarre · Apr 20, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

IN about 15 years, you'll look back on your high school days and realize how much free time you really had.

In high school here I left at 6am and didn't get home until 9pm sometimes.

Not that this is related to the topic, but just felt like adding to that.

AshenX · Apr 20, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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Originally Posted by GW GF

So why didn't you invite me instead of taking henchies? Maybe the GW community isn't as friendly as I thought.

I will repeat this. I am NOT trying to be rude at all. I can totally see both points of this. It just seems a little weird to me that I specifically gave an open invite to go farm and instead of doing so you went off by yourself.

Wow.. I'm totally shocked as to how you would expect me to even believe what you have to say when you obviously have something to hide. Otherwise why wouldn't you have PM'd me to go with?

Please do not take offense as your tone has in fact become very civil but at the time you requested an in game invite your tone seemed to me to be very combative and demanding. I consider myself to be very friendly and do help others in game quite a bit but I was not inclined to assist you either, specifically because of the perceived tone of your request.

Personally I do believe the outline of drops given as it pretty much matches my experience and observations. Of course drops vary but what she listed seemed perfectly reasonable. As to why you should believe her...because she has given you no reason to not believe her. She is not claiming to have made 10 plat in 10 minutes of non-farming play or anything similarly farfetched.

You have engaged in a dialogue that essentially includes two elements: should gold be purchaseable for real word money, and can one make enough gold to finance one's characters through normal play. Both are very relevant and interesting topics. Please do not cheapen your arguments by taking a dismissive approach wherein you imply dishonesty on the part of someone who is attempting, in a straightforward fashion, to address your questions/concerns.

Please note that none of my points above related to whether or not Anet should sell gold. I enjoy debate. i believe that having opposing sides of an argument presented well by intelligent people (as the people here, including yourself, have shown themselves to be) will bring to light aspects likely overlooked by one side or the other. Please allow this to be such a debate and not a name calling (or implication casting) session.

Thank you.

DivineEnvoy · Apr 20, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

In what ways...elaborate.

Let's look at purchasing gold first; if we allow that, then it is agreed that working in real life will be more profitable than farming in the game and even just playing the game. There will also be a problem of inflation as a ton of gold just magically appears. What is the purpose of playing the game then? Why don't we all just spend our time into working in real life and just spend the money we earned into getting gold on Guild Wars? This discourages people from playing the game.

Let's look at the other features that can be purchased.
Skill packs were made so that new players can get into PvP with the skills they need. Although this gives them an advantage over people who did not purchase the skill packs, we need to know that it doesn't cause effects to other players such as inflations. Even so, buyers can jump right into PvP, which in return, this will motivate them into playing more.

Character slots were put on the sale, because people wanted to make more characters. It doesn't affect anyone else unless you would actually consider farming mini pets with extra character slots a serious issue.

Now let's look at campaigns. I guess people with more skills available will have a greater advantage, but it just motivates them to play more. And I bet it somewhat tempts players who do not own these campaigns to purchase their missing campaigns. That in return, also motivates people to play more.

Gun Pierson · Apr 20, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

@OP: I don't see Anet selling gold, just a feeling I have.

I know you don't like farming and that you have about 2 hours a day to play. My suggestion however would be to duo farm UW smite runs in normal mode. Ectos are not on the lootscaling list so the chance of ecto drop is the same.

Yesterday me and my buddy farmed 21 ectos out of UW within 3 hours and a half playtime, netting something around 100k or 50k each. You'll get around the same amount of cash (gemsets) within 3 hours doing a full run DoA HM using ursan way.

Or you can settle with collector stuff and greens etc. Or buy from ebay but you'll get banned.

You can join me a couple of times doing UW runs if you want. I'll do the work, you'll pick up the ectos

GW GF · Apr 20, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by Shai Lee

Thus far, unless I'm mistaken, character slots and skill packs havn't caused inflation. One of the points that players disagree with Anet selling gold, is that it would effect the in-game economy.

It does affect the game though.. how many times do players go do a mission to earn a skill any more.. especially if it's a leet skill. Rather than 'doing all the work', they just go buy the skill and or/tome to get the skill.

I don't think this is a bad thing, but if you're against the gold because it messes up the game, then it must be agreed that buying skills also impacts game play.

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Shai Lee

Thus far, unless I'm mistaken, character slots and skill packs havn't caused inflation. One of the points that players disagree with Anet selling gold, is that it would effect the in-game economy.

Which you could mitigate by controlling how in game gold comes into the game via pricing or supply. I said this before and I'll say it again here...this is NOT the US economy we're talking about, I'm sure some dillhole with an economics degree could find a formula to show how money input into the game would effect the economy and how you could reduce inflation caused by such monies.

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

Especially when it feels like the older you get, the shorter the days. Seriously, how is it already April 20th, 2008?

I hear you sister! Don't even get me started on how summer vacation used to last half a life time...

Lilith St Cyr · Apr 20, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12

I don not see the point here.
You don't need 100K+ to play the game. You can buy a cheap armor (or collector's) and get a collector's weapon. There, all set. If, however, you want fancy stuff, you need work for it!
Where's the fun in buying your gold? Where's the challenge?

I don't farm. Yet I've maid a good few 100K's... How? I pick EVERYTHING up. I play. I might sell something to other players, but I'm usually too lazy and just merch it.

Stop whining.

GW GF · Apr 20, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by AshenX

Please do not take offense as your tone has in fact become very civil but at the time you requested an in game invite your tone seemed to me to be very combative and demanding. I consider myself to be very friendly and do help others in game quite a bit but I was not inclined to assist you either, specifically because of the perceived tone of your request.

Personally I do believe the outline of drops given as it pretty much matches my experience and observations. Of course drops vary but what she listed seemed perfectly reasonable. As to why you should believe her...because she has given you no reason to not believe her. She is not claiming to have made 10 plat in 10 minutes of non-farming play or anything similarly farfetched.

You have engaged in a dialogue that essentially includes two elements: should gold be purchaseable for real word money, and can one make enough gold to finance one's characters through normal play. Both are very relevant and interesting topics. Please do not cheapen your arguments by taking a dismissive approach wherein you imply dishonesty on the part of someone who is attempting, in a straightforward fashion, to address your questions/concerns.

Please note that none of my points above related to whether or not Anet should sell gold. I enjoy debate. i believe that having opposing sides of an argument presented well by intelligent people (as the people here, including yourself, have shown themselves to be) will bring to light aspects likely overlooked by one side or the other. Please allow this to be such a debate and not a name calling (or implication casting) session.

Thank you.

I agree totally.. please go back to page one and see who started it. I have since then apologized and the apology hasn't been returned.

I've dropped it and have moved on.

Thank you

Kyomi Tachibana · Apr 20, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Me too! I'm a natural born A-hole

Do you have to make dinner, do yard work, take care of your kids (help them with homework for an hour a night), laundry, pay bills, travel for business 2 days a week and housework? Ya, trust me on this on.

Well, I did help take care of my little sister, I do help her with all of her homework, I do half of the laundry, I do most of the yard work when it needs to be done, I help pay the bills/rent (Thus the part time job) I travel for soccer once every couple of weeks, and occasionally I do make dinner.

And then on the occasional weekends I go out to my grandparents house and help them with their property whenever they have a big project or grandpa is out hunting, then I take care of the cows.

(Having a single mother and stubborn grandparents is a lot of work. :3)

I'm not claiming it to be more work than the average parent to have, just pointing out that I have my fair share of crud on my shoulders as well.

On a side note: I'm only 18 and the days are already flying by much faster than I want them to. They get faster? D:

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Avarre

In high school here I left at 6am and didn't get home until 9pm sometimes.

Not that this is related to the topic, but just felt like adding to that.

LOL how old are you? Talk to me about this when your 35. It's the norm for the youth to rail against their elders. Believe me, life just gets shorter and shorter as you get older, the days dissapear.

GW GF · Apr 20, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

@OP: I don't see Anet selling gold, just a feeling I have.

I know you don't like farming and that you have about 2 hours a day to play. My suggestion however would be to duo farm UW smite runs in normal mode. Ectos are not on the lootscaling list so the chance of ecto drop is the same.

Yesterday me and my buddy farmed 21 ectos out of UW within 3 hours and a half playtime, netting something around 100k or 50k each. You'll get around the same amount of cash (gemsets) within 3 hours doing a full run DoA HM using ursan way.

Or you can settle with collector stuff and greens etc. Or buy from ebay but you'll get banned.

You can join me a couple of times doing UW runs if you want. I'll do the work, you'll pick up the ectos

Sweet. I'll totally go. Probably not tonight any more because I am getting way too sleepy to play decently, but pm me (Dea Atai).. I'll be on tomorrow evening for a couple of hours.

THanks for the offer!

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by Lilith St Cyr

I don not see the point here.
You don't need 100K+ to play the game. You can buy a cheap armor (or collector's) and get a collector's weapon. There, all set. If, however, you want fancy stuff, you need work for it!
Where's the fun in buying your gold? Where's the challenge?

I don't farm. Yet I've maid a good few 100K's... How? I pick EVERYTHING up. I play. I might sell something to other players, but I'm usually too lazy and just merch it.

Stop whining.

Stop insulting me by calling me a whiner. Have you read my posts? Half the reason I play this game is to make cool builds, which require elite skills, which I must buy as I just made character number 22. There are MANY reasons besides kewl loot that you need cash for. I have money, not time...I don't have the time to do a 1 1/2 hour run into some god forsaken back water to cap some leet skill, so I can try out a new build idea.

Honestly, I never really had a problem with money until they opened up new character slots and came out with elite tomes.

explodemyheart · Apr 20, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

I hear you sister! Don't even get me started on how summer vacation used to last half a life time...

I remember a time when there was so much summer that I got bored of it. And then being back in school for 9 months was an eternity x 98.

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

I just made character number 22.

22? You is nuts man, pure nuts.

On topic for anybody making money without solo farming, have any of you considered CoF runs? It may seem a little silly to pay money out when you're trying to save money, but in the end I usually end up with a profit of 1k-6k. In the meantime, I can get points toward my deldrimor title and have had some fun with some pretty cool people in the groups I've been in.

MoriaOrc · Apr 20, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Actually I do. It's a matter of pricing it so that it doesn't flood the market. Would you pay $10 for a plat? 10 plat?

Very few people would, I think. Plus, gold sellers would be able to undercut that very easily. A quick Google for prices gave me 100K=$19.8, slightly under 1/5 that cost. And that's the problem, they really have two options if they decide to sell gold. Either they're willing to sell for too little, probably about the same price as gold sellers (they can get away with slightly higher because they're "legit") and the economy is hurt, or they sell for way more then most people will pay and don't sell much anyway (in which case, why bother).

Do you think a 4 piece set (no helmet) of elite armor is worth $60 + mats? Do you think many people would? Would you really be willing to pay anywhere near $150 for a tormented weapon? What about $500+ for that high-req eternal sword? For most people, I think this would be a very unrealistic option compared to getting their money in game.

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 10:23 AM // 10:23

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

Well, I did help take care of my little sister, I do help her with all of her homework, I do half of the laundry, I do most of the yard work when it needs to be done, I help pay the bills/rent (Thus the part time job) I travel for soccer once every couple of weeks, and occasionally I do make dinner.

And then on the occasional weekends I go out to my grandparents house and help them with their property whenever they have a big project or grandpa is out hunting, then I take care of the cows.

(Having a single mother and stubborn grandparents is a lot of work. :3)

I'm not claiming it to be more work than the average parent to have, just pointing out that I have my fair share of crud on my shoulders as well.

On a side note: I'm only 18 and the days are already flying by much faster than I want them to. They get faster? D:

Can I adopt you? Seriously.